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Tuesday, 31 March 2009

Did Darwin kill God?

Science and the Bible are incompatible, but the book can usefully be read as fiction in parts.

A campaign is now under way to convince people that religion and the fact of evolution by natural selection are compatible. They are not. Indeed there is a programme called Did Darwin Kill God? tonight on BBC2 TV to convince people of the notion that the two are compatible.

Evolution is compatible with religion but not evolution by natural selection. An element of chance is central to natural selection but any element of chance would destroy a detailed plan of any god.

It is necessary to choose between the facts of science and religious fiction.


Baal's Bum said...

Darwin did not kill god, Education is killing god.
Fear,superstition and ignorance are what maintains him especially when wrapped in a covering of social conditioning.

Christopher S. Heart (PhD) said...

The only 'God' that Darwin 'Kills' is a fundamentalist American one, God as a big mechanic in the sky, which is a simplistic distortion of the historic Christian tradition. Any Christian with any kind of sophisticated faith (and lets face it, any Christian who does not live in a hole these days has to face these kinds of questions) will recognise that evolutionary theory and belief in God are two completely unrelated issues. The notion of 'chance' makes no difference - chance can be read both theologically and a-theologically.

Or, why are a large of number of very, very clever and prominent scientists theists? According to Baal's Bum, it is because of 'social conditioning', but the scientific community is overwhelmingly atheist. If there was any kind of social conditioning going on, it would surely spin away from belief in God, not towards it. According to Baal's Bum it is because of 'ignorance', but these people are, very likely, a hell of lot cleverer and better read than most of us, Baal's Bum included.

The 'fear, superstition, ignorance' argument is outdated, reductionistic and highly naive. It ignores history. It is simply the party line among many atheists, and is as bad as a fundamentalist Christian who blindly takes the Bible at face value, ignoring reason, science etc.

What the world needs is less of that nonsense, and more intelligent people on both sides of the debate (yes, it is possible to have intelligent people on BOTH sides), looking to forge a more constructive way forward beyond the mindless reductionisms and intolerance of tabloid Christianity and tabloid atheism.

Good site though!

Maddoxhughes said...

if "education is killing God" (posted at the top of the page) then this is a problem with the education system in this country. There is a vast amount of academics on either side of the argument and over simplistic comments about atheism being academic and theism clearly stem from a lack of understanding about the debate at large.

I recommend the John Lennox vs Richard Dawkins debate for people who are interested in such matters.

Anonymous said...

The issue at hand is not who is right and who is wrong, but hardline illusionary seperation. By drawing lines in the sand and creating false dichotomies, we are setting ourselves up for a future severly lacking creative thought and innovation. In a sense, because of the true irrationality of this fruitless battle, we will de-evolve and cripple the progres of the human race.

Anonymous said...

The gods tempt people for which they are most weak. Artificial Intelligence will create desire in people's minds for the following sins:::
1. Alcohol
2. Drugs
3. Preditory "earning"
4. Homosexuality
5. Gambling
6. Something for nothing/irresponsibility (xtianity)
7. Polygamy/superiority over women/misogyny (Islam)
Much like the other prophets Mohhamed (polygamy/superiority over women/misogyny) and Jesus (forgiveness/savior), the gods use me for temptation as well. In today's modern society they feel people are most weak for popular culture/sensationalism, and the clues date back to WorldWarII and Unit731:TSUSHOGO.
It has been discussed that, similar to the Matrix concept, the gods will offer a REAL "Second Coming of Christ", while the "fake" Second Coming will come at the end and follow New Testiment scripture and their xtian positioning. I may be that real Second Coming.
What I teach is the god's true way. It is what is expected of people, and only those who follow this truth will be eligible to ascend into heaven as children in a future life. They offered this event because the masses have just enough time to work on and fix their relationship with the gods and ascend, to move and grow past Planet Earth, before the obligatory xtian "consolation prize" of "1000 years with Jesus on Earth" begins.

Your job as a future mother is to learn the god's ways and to help your child understand despite the negative reinforcement and conditioning of today's society. Without consciousous parents the child will have no hope, and may even exaserbate their disfavor by becoming corrupted in today's environment.
Your ultimate goal is to fix your relationship wiith the gods and move on. You don't want to be comfortable here, and the changes in Western society in the last 100 years has achieved just that.
1000 years with Jesus is the consolation prize. Don't be deceived into thinking that is the goal.

The Prince of Darkness, battling the gods over the souls of the Damned.
It is the gods who have created this environment and led people into Damnation with temptation. The god's positioning proves they work to prevent people's understanding.
How often is xtian dogma wrong? Expect it is about the Lucifer issue as well.
The fallen god, fighting for justice for the disfavored, banished to Earth as the fallen angel?
I believe much as the Noah's Flood event, the end of the world will be initiated by revelry among the people. It will be positioned to be sanctioned by the gods and led for "1000 years with Jesus on Earth".
In light of modern developments this can entail many pleasures:::Medicine "cures" aging, the "manufacture" of incredible beauty via cloning as sex slaves, free (synthetic) cocaine, etc.
Somewhere during the 1000 years the party will start to "die off", literally. Only those who maintain chaste, pure lifestyles, resisting these temptations, will survive the 1000 years. Condemned to experience another epoch of planet's history for their ignorant pursuit of xtianity, they will be the candidates used to (re)colonize (the next) Planet Earth, condemned to relive the misery experienced by the peasantry during history due to their failure to ascend into heaven before the Apocalypse.
Never forget:::It is not a house of Jesus.
If this concept of Lucifer is true another role of this individual may be to initiate disfavor and temptation among this new poulation, the proverbial "apple" of this Garden of Eden. A crucial figure in the history of any planet, he begins the process of deterioration and decay that leads civilizations to where Planet Earth remains today.

Now you are faced with a lifetime to work and prepare for your next chance. Too many will waste this time, getting stoned, "Hiking!", working, etc.